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Yes, I'll make that blanket statment.

I had posted about the the "Hot Coffee" mode in GTA: San Andreas and the reaction the industry had to it. My friend Matt posted about this. Colin also shared his thoughts too...along with many other people.

I wrote Jack Thompson an e-mail, since a lot of his stances really don't make sense to me.

Hello Mr. Thompson,

I'm writing you to see if I can further understand your stance on
video games and their appropriateness in our nation, as from what I
have read on your stances I'm not sure I understand how you've come to
your conclusions.

First, perhaps, I should tell a little summary of video games in my
life. I'm a 24-year who started playing video games around the age of
seven with the Nintendo Entertainment System. Since then, a good
amount of my life has revolved around video games, and to this day I
even work in the video game industry.

Through my teens and early adult life, I have played a massive amount
of video games. The titles contain a pretty wide variety: Super Mario
Bros., Harvest Moon (a farming simulator game), Resident Evil (a
zombie-horror game), Tetris...well, it's a pretty big list.

I can tell you, from personal experience at least, that video games
have not had a harmful effect on me. Being the child of a single
mother (my father died when I was 11), video games were my main source
of entertainment. Today I'm a productive citizen, and though I sit
down to play games (violent or otherwise), I've never gone on any
"rampages" that you so often cite in your messages.

I'll get to the point and ask the questions that have me confused on
your issues.

What makes video games different from the "rock 'n' roll" era where
many people claimed that rock music destroyed minds and sent children
into Satan's clutches?

Why are you singling out video games and not other sources of media
(movies, music, etc.)?

Quoted from your website: "Jack Thompson has appeared recently on a
number of national television program with victims of two teenage
Tennessee snipers whom police concluded trained obsessively on Grand
Theft Auto to prepare for their sniping spree. Numerous others have
been murdered by teens trained on this one game." What are your
references to this? Can you honestly believe that a video game, which
has little physical interaction, can translate to handling a real
firearm? If so, what are your sources for this reasoning?

We are a society that is very fast paced. Parents are more and more
relying on media to raise our children. Why hasn't any politician
come out to tell parents that they need to be there more for their
children? I realize it might be a bit suicidal in the political
career sense, but the blame is being passed on. I realize that being
a parent today is tough (I have a nine-year old sister, so I only have
an inkling of that feeling), but parents need to start raising their
kids...and not letting their TV do it for them.

In closing, I agree with your statement that games such as Grand Theft
Auto should not be sold to children. It's up to the parents to gauge
when their child reaches the age that they can discern fantasy from
reality and can play a game such as that. I would never give my
little sister such a game until I know that she can tell the
difference.

Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon.

Sincerely,
Stephen King III

Matt was saying many people have just been getting single-line responses. I got a fucking press release.

John B. Thompson, Attorney at Law

1172 South Dixie Hwy., Suite 111

Coral Gables, Florida 33146

305-666-4366

jackpeace@comcast.net



July 24, 2005



The Honorable Leland Y. Yee

Speaker Pro Tempore

California State Assembly

State Capitol

Sacramento, California Fax: (916) 319-2112



Re: Distribution of Sexual Material Harmful to Minors by the Video Game
Industry



Dear Speaker Yee:



I was privileged to be involved in the successful effort, as were you, to
compel the ESRB to finally do its job regarding Grand Theft Auto: San
Andreas. I have information for you, however, about a matter that may be an
even worse abuse by the video game industry.



The Sims video game franchise is the most popular in history. These games
are rated "T" for teen, which means they are supposedly appropriate for kids
13 and over. However, this game is a prime example of the "ratings creep"
about which Dr. Kimberly Thompson of Harvard University has written. There
is some rather remarkable sexual content in the Sims games which I and
others believe would warrant an "M" rating as to the content that is
patently in them.



Proof that parents should be concerned as to what is the sexual content in
this supposedly "T" game is that one site on the Internet is offering
parents a means to shield their kids from the known sexual content of the
Sims games. But this gets worse.



It turns out that Electronic Arts, the publisher of all the Sims games, has
allowed the player, with a simple cheat code that even the New York Times is
distributing, to remove a "censor flag" in the game in order to make the
players nude, including the Sims children. A similar cheat code allowed
players to access the "Hot Coffee" content of GTA: SA. The nudity is not
put into the game. It is already there, put there by EA to be accessed by
all. But this gets worse.



Electronic Arts has encouraged the "mod community," by comments of the game'
s creator and by a failure to protect its copyrighted code in the game, to
create "skins" for the nude figures that are explicit in nature as they
depict genitalia, with some specific mods appealing to "fetishists" as well.
The unlocked nudity dovetails nicely into this modding.



These mods are offered at all sorts of "porn" sites on the Internet, and
they use the Sims name. EA is fully aware of this and is doing nothing
about it. If Electronic Arts wanted this activity stopped, it believe they
could shut it down in a New York minute. However, as you and I both know,
this industry, including EA, has benefited financially from such
collaborations with the "mod" industry. That is what is occurring here, and
the damning admissions of the game's creator, Will Wright, and his
enthusiasms for "mods" prove it.



I should like to encourage you to conduct hearings on the full breadth of
the scandal within the video game industry, which now includes collaborating
with those who are putting sexually explicit material into the hands of
children by making an "M" game that is labeled a "T," then facilitating the
unlocking of nudes in the game, and then looking the other way when others
are apparently using their copyrighted code to modify the nudes into images
that appeal to the prurient interest.



This is not artistic license, in my opinion. It is conspiracy to violate
the law at the expense of vulnerable children, behind their parents' backs.



The ESRB has always been a joke. Now ESRB is a cruel joke.



Regards, Jack Thompson

No, you're a joke, Jack.

Now, I'm sure he's getting a lot of e-mails, but I asked things that I'm sure he gets asked a lot. You'd think he'd at least of read my e-mail and came up with something the was in line to what I was writing him about. No. Really, all this e-mail says to me is "I'm dodging the issue".

Oh, and I love this quote from his website: I am trying to protect our freedoms. How so? When the next Columbine happens and the perpetrators are proven to be copycatters of adult-rated violent entertainment, then the government, driven by parental concern, really will contract freedom for all Americans. Safety will trump freedom.

Wow. He's trying to protect freedom by getting rid of it? Sounds like some good ol' doublethink to me.

If I ever catch wind of him coming to town, I'll be sure to show him a piece of my mind. I realize my postings on LJ won't see too many eyes, but it feels better to get it out...maybe I'll go post this on my 1Up blog. I never post there anyway. `^_^

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Date: 2005-07-27 01:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2005-07-28 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
I agree. Where he should be working on programs to educate parents, instead he's just looking for scapegoats...and there are a lot more imporantant things out there, like you said.

..

Date: 2005-07-27 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elsmd.livejournal.com
Your letter was well put, but I'm confused why you even bothered sending it. You knew he wasn't going to send a direct reply - you shouldn't let yourself get so angry now that he proved you right.

As the moderator of a message board, you should recognize when a person is just trying to make you angry and look crazy. "Don't feed the trolls".

Re: ..

Date: 2005-07-27 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
Thanks. :) I try and give everyone a chance and defend their position, no matter how crazy I think it is.I wasn't going to just assume that Jack Thompson was a stupid jackass. Oh, I'm pretty sure he was, but I guess now it's confirmed.

Date: 2005-07-27 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittykitsune.livejournal.com
that's got to be the worst canned response I've ever seen... it's not bad as the response I got from this guy in colorado...

I don't even remember what position he held, but I wrote him a letter that said, and I quote "You're a homophobic asshole..."

The response I received, "Thank you for your concern in this matter..."

at least when I recently sent out the response to the beatiality issues, I got a canned response that hit on everything I wrote about and that made me feel a bit better.

Date: 2005-07-28 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
I realize that people in higher up positions have lots of e-mails to go through. But that's why you make canned responses for what the person writes about...not just an all-purpose canned response. >_

Date: 2005-07-27 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oishii-lemons.livejournal.com
check your emai! make your day! make your day! ^__________^

Date: 2005-07-28 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
Heh, heh. :)

Date: 2005-07-27 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akira-hojo76.livejournal.com
Can't wait for a Michael Moore documentary lambasting this moron... Let's remember, Columbine, and other things in his documentary "Bowling for Columbine" and how he showed that there was nothing in MUSIC that influenced these kids. They did these things themselves...

In this moron's case, wow, nudity... our kids will go into PORN!!! Oh nos! Let's face it, by the time our kids get into their teens, they'll figure out things for themselves, and if they get into bad shit, it is their choice, and they face the consequences.

On nudity, they'll probably end up seeing breasts, or maybe a penis, most likely thru Sex Ed., why the fuck doesn't he go after Sex Ed.?

Date: 2005-07-28 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
I hope Michael Moore does one; that would be kick ass!

It's the fact that he's completely grasping for straws. Putting aside any moral issues considering pornography, he's pretty much saying that Ken and Barbie are pornographic. I don't think this guy really understands what pornography is! I wonder if he's ever taken his clothes off in his life.

Date: 2005-07-28 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
He's definitely got some issues. :(

Date: 2005-07-27 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thestupidguy.livejournal.com
What a violent reaction you had, Dudelove. Must be all those violent games you play.

Date: 2005-07-28 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
Tetris made me do it. The pieces spoke to me.

Date: 2005-07-27 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fearless-son.livejournal.com
Electronic Arts has encouraged the "mod community," by comments of the game's creator and by a failure to protect its copyrighted code in the game, to create "skins" for the nude figures that are explicit in nature as they depict genitalia, with some specific mods appealing to "fetishists" as well. The unlocked nudity dovetails nicely into this modding.
At what point has EA ever encourage people to make sexually explicit mods for any of their games? Please, cite just one specific piece of evidence for me, do not force me to conclude that you are a complete idiot. Using that logic you might as well outlaw depictions of clothed people on bill-boards because it would mean that advertisers were encouraging vandals to draw sexual organs on them.

Date: 2005-07-27 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lance-reiloh.livejournal.com
This is stretching it, but I do believe that their website has links to places where you can download Sim mods. You're encouraged to try the sites, but I'm sure that somewhere deep within the bowels of the sites there are some questionable things (like maybe a Sim in a thong). You could easily search their site and where they link to see if anything is questionable.

As I said, though, it's a really big stretch. In an effort to make their game mod-friendly and realistic (while tasteful or humorous), they really left a nice opening for Thompson to attack.

Date: 2005-07-27 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattleotaku.livejournal.com
There are indeed "skins" that give the Barbie-style nudeness (which in itself is only viewable with a mod) more detail such as darker areas depicting nipples and pubic areas (with the male version having a bare spot in such area to supposedly be the penis). There's a mod'd bed to have no blanket, so the "Woohoo" (sex) can "seen", but that's not explicit at all -- the character models go through the exact same motions that they would otherwise go through, flipping the now-invisble blanket over themselves and just bouncing around. Whether they're in pajamas or underwear (out of the box) or nude (modded), and under a blanket (out of the box) or not (modded), last I knew "bouncing around" on a bed wasn't considered explicit. I haven't seen one, but I'm sure there could be a water-less hottub as well for the same idea there (oh, they're rolling around together, for shame!).

I did more than that as a teenager (T). ^_^'

But still, it is up to the individual player to make such modifications. Blaming EA for making such mods available when they could be used for "adult" material added/"unlocked" by the player (the vast majority is normal alternate clothing and props) is like blaming Microsoft/Apple/Linux for including video-playing software into their OS's because it could be used to watch porn installed by the individual. OMG, computers in general need to be rated A-O now!

BAKA! Stupid....

A hearty "OMG YAY!" to Stephen's letter. :)

Date: 2005-07-28 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
Very much stretching it.

Date: 2005-07-28 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
Though I have separate issues with EA, I applaud a company that encourages its comnsumers to be creative. Will a few people abuse that? Sure, but that's the price to pay. But even this is not what I'd consider abuse.

Jack's looking for anything. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the photoshopped pictures from years ago of Lara Croft. Eesh.

Date: 2005-07-27 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lance-reiloh.livejournal.com
Oh yeah. That was the other thing he did. If he ever wrote more than a few sentences, it was copied and pasted from something with his name on it. This happened with another letter that agreed with him on the GTA ordeal but wanted him to go about a different way of thinking.

http://aelon.net/2005/07/jack-thompson-straw-man/

The farther you read, the angrier you'll get. Trust me.

Date: 2005-07-28 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
*fumes*

Wow, Jack sure makes himself out to be a total and closeminded moron.

If he ever comes to town, I'm organizing a protest.

Date: 2005-07-27 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ff8squall.livejournal.com
Very well put....but I'm not quite sure why you e-mailed him though, as your chances of an actual response were slim. =/

Date: 2005-07-28 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, even someone as apparently dumb as him.

Date: 2005-07-27 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tak178.livejournal.com
This is where conservatism and moral clarity come into play...

Moral clarity say to be clear about how and why you believe. Conservatism says take responsibility for your actions. It seems to me that if this man was a true conservative, he would state exactly why he's against something and defend his position...ala, yes, President George W. Bush. Some of you may not like what he stands for, but he believe what he believes, and will tell you EXACTLY why.

This politician in question is doing the exact opposite. Video games DO NOT contribute to violence...it may serve to QUELL it. I know there were many nights when coming home to GTA 3 or GTA:Vice City helped me RELIEVE stress...not make me want to go out with an AK and blast innocents. What an absurd diatribe.

~Dave

Date: 2005-07-28 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
He's one of those people that just blindly jump into the situation before really doing any kind of research. Hopefully, the masses that also don't do any research don't follow him.

Date: 2005-07-27 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quetz.livejournal.com
Do I detect someone who needs to be destroyed?

Date: 2005-07-28 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
*nods* Very much so. People that stupid shouldn't be allowed to be an attorney.

Re: Sounds like Jack Thompson's kind of trial

Date: 2005-07-27 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattleotaku.livejournal.com
*high-five*
I'm sure that's a rendition of Thompson himself, actually.

Re: Sounds like Jack Thompson's kind of trial

Date: 2005-07-28 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
*ROFL* Yeah, that's Jack. :)

Date: 2005-07-27 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] humu-ted.livejournal.com
>which now includes collaborating with those who are putting sexually explicit material into the hands of
children by making an "M" game that is labeled a "T," then facilitating the unlocking of nudes in the game, and then looking the other way when others are apparently using their copyrighted code to modify the nudes into images that appeal to the prurient interest.

Dude can't even keep his parties straight. That sentence is worded as if it's one person or entity he's referring to. If he meant it that way, he's a moron. If he worded poorly, he's a grammatically incorrect moron. "those who are putting sexually explicit material into the hands of children by making an "M" game that is labeled a 'T' " EA doesn't get to rate their own games dorkwad. EA makes the game, the ESRB rates them. "then facilitating the unlocking of nudes in the game" any computer saavy geek can make a skin for any game given enough time. The game creators don't make the skins, gamers do. "then looking the other way when others are apparently using their copyrighted code to modify the nudes into images that appeal to the prurient interest." Again, this isn't EA, this is people who have way too much time on their hands.

So in one sentence he's claimed that the ESRB, EA Games, and computer nerds are all one person or entity. Am I the only one who noticed this? :|

Date: 2005-07-28 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dudelovenext.livejournal.com
To him, anyone that supports video games is pretty much one party.